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Post-1943 Oral Histories
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Oral histories with residents about the Hanford area during and following the Second World War
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Oral histories with residents about the Hanford area during and following the Second World War
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Robert Bauman
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Robert Colley
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<p class="Paragraph SCX33073153"><strong><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">Northwest Public Television | </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153"><span class="SpellingError SCX33073153">Colley_Robert</span></span><span class="EOP SCX33073153"> </span></strong></p>
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<p class="Paragraph SCX33073153"><span class="TextRun SCX33073153"><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Robert </span></span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153"><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Bauman</span>: Okay,</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153"> great. Let's start by just having you say your name and spell it for us.</span><span class="EOP SCX33073153"> </span></p>
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<p class="Paragraph SCX33073153"><span class="TextRun SCX33073153"><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Robert Colley</span>: Okay</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">. Robert Gibson Colley. It's</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">—spell--</span><span class="EOP SCX33073153"> </span></p>
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<p class="Paragraph SCX33073153"><span class="TextRun SCX33073153"><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Bauman</span>: </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">The last name.</span><span class="EOP SCX33073153"> </span></p>
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<p class="Paragraph SCX33073153"><span class="TextRun SCX33073153"><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Colley</span>: </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">C-O-L-L-E-Y.</span><span class="EOP SCX33073153"> </span></p>
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<p class="Paragraph SCX33073153"><span class="TextRun SCX33073153"><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Bauman</span>: Okay</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">. Great. Thank you.</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153"> </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">And my name's Bob Bauman. And today's date--</span><span class="EOP SCX33073153"> </span></p>
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<p class="Paragraph SCX33073153"><span class="TextRun SCX33073153"><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Colley</span>: </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">Bauman?</span><span class="EOP SCX33073153"> </span></p>
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<p class="Paragraph SCX33073153"><span class="TextRun SCX33073153"><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Bauman</span>: </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">Bauman.</span><span class="EOP SCX33073153"> </span></p>
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<p class="Paragraph SCX33073153"><span class="TextRun SCX33073153"><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Colley</span>: Oh, okay, Bob Bauman.</span><span class="EOP SCX33073153"> </span></p>
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<p class="Paragraph SCX33073153"><span class="TextRun SCX33073153"><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Bauman</span>: </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">And today's date is November 20th, 2013, and we're recording this interview on the campus of Washington State</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153"> </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">University Tri-Cities. So let's start maybe by having you tell us when you came to Hanford, what brought you here.</span><span class="EOP SCX33073153"> </span></p>
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<p class="Paragraph SCX33073153"><span class="TextRun SCX33073153"><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Colley</span>: Yeah. I was at Spokane </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">Air Base, and the general came in and he said we're going to have to reduce the</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153"> </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">Korean Air Force pilots, but we'</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">d like to keep you in Reserve, Ready </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">Reserve, and you'll fly every other</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153"> </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">weekend for the next 20 years. And we'll guarantee you a job somewhere.</span><span class="EOP SCX33073153"> </span></p>
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<p class="Paragraph SCX33073153"><span class="TextRun SCX33073153"><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Bauman</span>: Okay</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">.</span><span class="EOP SCX33073153"> </span></p>
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<p class="Paragraph SCX33073153"><span class="TextRun SCX33073153"><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Colley</span>: </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">And so that was on Sunday, and on Monday morning I came to work here in 1954. And it was about a month</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153"> </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">before I came to work. And I came to work as</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">—nuclear physics—radiation monitor</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">.</span><span class="EOP SCX33073153"> </span></p>
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<p class="Paragraph SCX33073153"><span class="TextRun SCX33073153"><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Bauman</span>: Okay</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">. And so how long had you been in the service prior to 1954?</span><span class="EOP SCX33073153"> </span></p>
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<p class="Paragraph SCX33073153"><span class="TextRun SCX33073153"><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Colley</span>: </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">I came off active duty on</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153"> Sunday, and came to work here Monday.</span><span class="EOP SCX33073153"> </span></p>
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<p class="Paragraph SCX33073153"><span class="TextRun SCX33073153"><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Bauman</span>: </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">When did you start in the service?</span><span class="EOP SCX33073153"> </span></p>
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<p class="Paragraph SCX33073153"><span class="TextRun SCX33073153"><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Colley</span>: Oh, in—when did I start? In 1942.</span><span class="EOP SCX33073153"> </span></p>
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<p class="Paragraph SCX33073153"><span class="TextRun SCX33073153"><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Bauman</span>: Okay, yeah, oh, in '42, okay</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">.</span><span class="EOP SCX33073153"> </span></p>
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<p class="Paragraph SCX33073153"><span class="TextRun SCX33073153"><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Colley</span>: Yeah, i</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">n 1942.</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153"> </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">And I had three years of cadet ROTC </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">at Walla Walla</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">.</span><span class="EOP SCX33073153"> </span></p>
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<p class="Paragraph SCX33073153"><span class="TextRun SCX33073153"><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Bauman</span>: Oh, okay</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">. All right. And so then you came </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">to Hanford in 1954 in nuclear health physics, you said?</span><span class="EOP SCX33073153"> </span></p>
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<p class="Paragraph SCX33073153"><span class="TextRun SCX33073153"><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Colley</span>: I—</span><span class="EOP SCX33073153"> </span></p>
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<p class="Paragraph SCX33073153"><span class="TextRun SCX33073153"><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Bauman</span>: Nuclear </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">health</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153"> </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">physics? Is that where you worked?</span><span class="EOP SCX33073153"> </span></p>
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<p class="Paragraph SCX33073153"><span class="TextRun SCX33073153"><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Colley</span>: </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">I worked for General Electric.</span><span class="EOP SCX33073153"> </span></p>
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<p class="Paragraph SCX33073153"><span class="TextRun SCX33073153"><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Bauman</span>: </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">For General Electric.</span><span class="EOP SCX33073153"> </span></p>
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<p class="Paragraph SCX33073153"><span class="TextRun SCX33073153"><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Colley</span>: </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">Uh-huh.</span><span class="EOP SCX33073153"> </span></p>
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<p class="Paragraph SCX33073153"><span class="TextRun SCX33073153"><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Bauman</span>: </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">And so</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153"> could you—</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">what sort of work did you do?</span><span class="EOP SCX33073153"> </span></p>
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<p class="Paragraph SCX33073153"><span class="TextRun SCX33073153"><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Colley</span>: N</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">uclear health </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">physics. And after </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">I came here, I went and got my tech degree </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">from inside while I</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153"> </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">worked there.</span><span class="EOP SCX33073153"> </span></p>
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<p class="Paragraph SCX33073153"><span class="TextRun SCX33073153"><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Bauman</span>: </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">And what was the area like when you came here in 1954?</span><span class="EOP SCX33073153"> </span></p>
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<p class="Paragraph SCX33073153"><span class="TextRun SCX33073153"><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Colley</span>: </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">Well it was riding buses to school, and they gave us homes. And we brought our families here. And went to work</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153"> </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">by bus. Buses picked us up right in front of our house here in Hanford and took us to work and brought us back.</span><span class="EOP SCX33073153"> </span></p>
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<p class="Paragraph SCX33073153"><span class="TextRun SCX33073153"><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Bauman</span>: </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">And where was your house?</span><span class="EOP SCX33073153"> </span></p>
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<p class="Paragraph SCX33073153"><span class="TextRun SCX33073153"><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Colley</span>: 1940 Benham. </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">1940, 41 there. It was a duplex.</span><span class="EOP SCX33073153"> </span></p>
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<p class="Paragraph SCX33073153"><span class="TextRun SCX33073153"><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Bauman</span>: </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">A duplex.</span><span class="EOP SCX33073153"> </span></p>
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<p class="Paragraph SCX33073153"><span class="TextRun SCX33073153"><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Colley</span>: </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">An eight-house duplex.</span><span class="EOP SCX33073153"> </span></p>
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<p class="Paragraph SCX33073153"><span class="TextRun SCX33073153"><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Bauman</span>: Okay</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">.</span><span class="EOP SCX33073153"> </span></p>
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<p class="Paragraph SCX33073153"><span class="TextRun SCX33073153"><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Colley</span>: </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">And my children started school here that year. A boy and a girl. And they started at Lewis and Clark School just up</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153"> </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">the street.</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153"> [LAUGHTER]</span><span class="EOP SCX33073153"> </span></p>
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<p class="Paragraph SCX33073153"><span class="TextRun SCX33073153"><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Bauman</span>: </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">And so working in nuclear health physics, what sorts of tasks did you do? What sort of things did you do at your</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153"> </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">job?</span><span class="EOP SCX33073153"> </span></p>
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<p class="Paragraph SCX33073153"><span class="TextRun SCX33073153"><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Colley</span>: </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">Anyplace that anybody worked, we had t</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">o be there. And we had to know t</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">hat the area was clear, the work area</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153"> </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">was clear, what dose rate they were getting, and set a dose rate for them to work there for a certain length of</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153"> </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">time.</span><span class="EOP SCX33073153"> </span></p>
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<p class="Paragraph SCX33073153"><span class="TextRun SCX33073153"><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Bauman</span>: </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">So you were all over the site, then.</span><span class="EOP SCX33073153"> </span></p>
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<p class="Paragraph SCX33073153"><span class="TextRun SCX33073153"><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Colley</span>: </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">Yeah. I</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153"> was—i</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">n those days, everybody worked all over the site, wherever you were needed. But I actually went into U</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153"> </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">Plant my first day out on the project, and that was the beginning of U Plant, T Plant, </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">REDOX</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">. And then I went to</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153"> </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">Dash </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">5, and then I went to the PUREX</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153"> start-</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">up again</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">. I was there for two years. Then went back to Dash 5.</span><span class="EOP SCX33073153"> </span></p>
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<p class="Paragraph SCX33073153"><span class="TextRun SCX33073153"><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Bauman</span>: Okay</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">. So essentially you were setting rates for workers?</span><span class="EOP SCX33073153"> </span></p>
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<p class="Paragraph SCX33073153"><span class="TextRun SCX33073153"><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Colley</span>: </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">Yes. Uh-huh. We went in and we checked the air. And checked the clothing requirement that these people would</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153"> </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">wear, and what their mask levels would be. How much</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">--</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">we'd find out exactly how much they were going to take</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153"> </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">and how much they were allowed to take for any one day. And generally in those days</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">,</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153"> unless there was</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153"> </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">something very special where you took a double, why, you normally </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">took 15</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">. And that was it. If it was a very</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153"> </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">special job where it was dangerous to pull somebody out in the middle of a job because of the radiation level.</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153"> </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">Sometimes they would take a double. Then they'd go into overtime.</span><span class="EOP SCX33073153"> </span></p>
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<p class="Paragraph SCX33073153"><span class="TextRun SCX33073153"><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Bauman</span>: </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">So did you have to wear any special clothing or carry special--</span><span class="EOP SCX33073153"> </span></p>
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<p class="Paragraph SCX33073153"><span class="TextRun SCX33073153"><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Colley</span>: </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">Everything was special. From the time we walked in and changed clothes, we never our clothing again until we</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153"> </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">took our shower and went home. We wore special underclothes, special</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">--</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">if we lost our clothes due to some spill</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153"> </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">or something, we could strip down to our underclothes and get out and still be clear. If we went past that,</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153"> why,</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153"> then we</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153"> </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">had a body contamination. And we would normally clean up whoever got contaminated. And depending whether</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153"> </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">they were working with</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153"> uranium, plutonium, americium</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153"> or whatever.</span><span class="EOP SCX33073153"> </span></p>
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<p class="Paragraph SCX33073153"><span class="TextRun SCX33073153"><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Bauman</span>: </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">Did it happen very often where</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">--</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">were there very many times when a worker was contaminated and you had to</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153"> </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">clean them up?</span><span class="EOP SCX33073153"> </span></p>
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<p class="Paragraph SCX33073153"><span class="TextRun SCX33073153"><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Colley</span>: Every</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">day somewhere. And they had to be cleaned up and nasal smears given before they were left to</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153"> </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">go home. We had to have them perfectly clean, or we had to keep them and give them more tests.</span><span class="EOP SCX33073153"> </span></p>
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<p class="Paragraph SCX33073153"><span class="TextRun SCX33073153"><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Bauman</span>: </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">So how would you go about cleaning someone up who had been contaminated?</span><span class="EOP SCX33073153"> </span></p>
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<p class="Paragraph SCX33073153"><span class="TextRun SCX33073153"><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Colley</span>: Well, i</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">f it was skin contamination,</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153"> why,</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153"> we could take off a layer of skin. We'd put on</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">--</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">I forget what the name of it was, but</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153"> we’</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">d put it on and it would take a layer of it off.</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153"> Until it's a layer </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">perfectly clean. And if they were clean,</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153"> </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">then they could go home. If they weren't, why, we had to keep them over.</span><span class="EOP SCX33073153"> </span></p>
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<p class="Paragraph SCX33073153"><span class="TextRun SCX33073153"><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Bauman</span>: </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">And if they had to</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">--</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">if you had to keep them over, what happened? You would run tests, did you say?</span><span class="EOP SCX33073153"> </span></p>
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<p class="Paragraph SCX33073153"><span class="TextRun SCX33073153"><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Colley</span>: </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">No, we'd just have to keep cleaning on them.</span><span class="EOP SCX33073153"> </span></p>
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<p class="Paragraph SCX33073153"><span class="TextRun SCX33073153"><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Colley</span>: </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">I mean, working with this type of thing</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">, there's some spill</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">,</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153"> something or other,</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153"> something contaminated or something</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153"> </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">broke loose or something didn't go right. And everything had to be cleaned right down to no contamination</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153"> </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">detectable.</span><span class="EOP SCX33073153"> </span></p>
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<p class="Paragraph SCX33073153"><span class="TextRun SCX33073153"><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Bauman</span>: Mm-hm. </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">And so when someone was contaminated and you were involved in cleaning them up, was it just you? Or was</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153"> </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">there more than one person?</span><span class="EOP SCX33073153"> </span></p>
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<p class="Paragraph SCX33073153"><span class="TextRun SCX33073153"><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Colley</span>: </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">Never lost any time. We had a lot of different things happen,</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153"> but every 15 months, when we had</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153"> accidents of some</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153"> </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">sort, spills or contamination levels above level, something like that was always there. Even with fires and</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153"> </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">explosions and stuff like that. And we</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">--</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">I guess the worst right off the</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153"> bat was when we had—I can’t think—a place where they mixed in</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153"> Dash 5.</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153"> </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">But they had a spill, and had a double. And so they got everybody out in about 10 or 15 minutes. I mean, just real</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153"> </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">quick. Just walked away. Just left things like they were.</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153"> </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">And then three of us went back in. We knew each floor exactly. We knew whe</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">re every crevice was, or where every </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">box or anything was where something might be that might be of value. Most of them might walk away from it and</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153"> </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">not know it's there. So we had to go back and go through</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">--</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">because we knew all these buildings. We did work </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">down there</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153"> day after day for years. And we knew where everything was, even if it was just even a change of</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153"> </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">clothes. We checked everything.</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153"> </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">And we finally</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">--</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">we were allowed an hour. We were in 1,000 R dose rate. And we were allowed an hour. And we</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153"> </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">took 100 R. And we were only supposed to take a little bit each day.</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153"> </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">But it was classified at that time. And no one ever knew how much</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">--</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">except we knew, and the health physics</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153"> </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">people knew. And we took, in le</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">ss than an hour, we took 100 R—body</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">. And that's many years of working</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153"> out there. You normally took three R a year—</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">a whole year.</span><span class="EOP SCX33073153"> </span></p>
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<p class="Paragraph SCX33073153"><span class="TextRun SCX33073153"><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Colley</span>: </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">And we took 100 R in less than an hour. But no one was left in the building, and we were very fortunate.</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153"> </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">Everything that would run wa</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">s still running. And then they would</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153"> come in to help shut it down and get things cleaned</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153"> </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">up again. But they brought us down in patrol cars from the Badge House, and we just had so much time once we</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153"> </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">got out of the patrol car. And we would be back there at that place. And if we weren't there, they would come to</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153"> </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">look for us. But there was three of us, and the other two boys are all gone. I was the oldest out of the bunch, but</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153"> </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">they died young.</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153"> </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">We never knew for sure whether we would</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">--</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">I n</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">ever felt anything from 100 R. I d</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">idn't feel headache</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">-</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">y or sick or</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153"> </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">anything. And they allowed me to come back to work the next day.</span><span class="EOP SCX33073153"> </span></p>
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<p class="Paragraph SCX33073153"><span class="TextRun SCX33073153"><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Colley</span>: </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">But that was all classified at that time. And nobody</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">--</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">they got it </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">okay</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">ed</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153"> from someplace. But I never had any ill</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153"> </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">effects from it. I took my maximums every year in all those years, and never had any ill effects that I knew of.</span><span class="EOP SCX33073153"> </span></p>
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<p class="Paragraph SCX33073153"><span class="TextRun SCX33073153"><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Bauman</span>: </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">Roughly what year that would have been that that happened, that incident?</span><span class="EOP SCX33073153"> </span></p>
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<p class="Paragraph SCX33073153"><span class="TextRun SCX33073153"><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Bauman</span>: </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">I'm sorry. You said you didn't feel sick after that at all. Did the other two men who were in with you, did they get</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153"> </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">sick at all from that?</span><span class="EOP SCX33073153"> </span></p>
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<p class="Paragraph SCX33073153"><span class="TextRun SCX33073153"><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Colley</span>: No, n</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">ot to my knowledge. Never had any ill effects. I've always had pretty good luck. I went through the Air Force</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153"> </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">Cadets, Army Air F</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">orce Cadets, back at the [INAUDIBLE]</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">, and pretty good shape and stayed in good shape. And</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153"> </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">we would fly 50, 60 hours at a time towards the end there. And no ill effects from that, either. Except you get tired</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153"> </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">and you switch off with crews, you know. And we'd go from here to California or over to China or someplace.</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153"> </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">Always someplace on the earth.</span><span class="EOP SCX33073153"> </span></p>
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<p class="Paragraph SCX33073153"><span class="TextRun SCX33073153"><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Colley</span>: </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">Yeah. He was just quite a guy. And he was an operator out there. And got him out, and we got him downtown and</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153"> </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">took the</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">—[LAUGHTER] </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">I can't think of all these names. The thing that we took him downtown in.</span><span class="EOP SCX33073153"> </span></p>
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<p class="Paragraph SCX33073153"><span class="TextRun SCX33073153"><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Colley</span>: </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">Ambulance. And took it back, checked out it. It was wildly contaminated. And went and buried it. </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">[LAUGHTER] </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">That was what</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153"> happened to it!</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153"> But I worked 91 doubles to get that straightened out. We didn't have enough people to keep the</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153"> </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">place going, and so we'd ask for overtime. And I put in the most doubles that anybody has ever heard of. 91</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153"> doubles, s</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">traight days. 91 doubles. 16 hours a day. But I'd been used to that in the military, or more. But not that</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153"> </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">many days at a time.</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153"> </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">And we fin</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">ally got back to normal hours. And but this wasn’t ever—but they stopped going more than two and a half</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153"> days at a time</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153"> </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">overtime after they got it straight, before they could </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">get back to work.</span><span class="EOP SCX33073153"> </span></p>
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<p class="Paragraph SCX33073153"><span class="TextRun SCX33073153"><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Colley</span>: </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">Everybody was pretty respectful of that.</span><span class="EOP SCX33073153"> </span></p>
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<p class="Paragraph SCX33073153"><span class="TextRun SCX33073153"><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Colley</span>: --In order to get a job done.</span><span class="EOP SCX33073153"> </span></p>
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<p class="Paragraph SCX33073153"><span class="TextRun SCX33073153"><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Bauman</span>: </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">Mm-hm.</span><span class="EOP SCX33073153"> </span></p>
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<p class="Paragraph SCX33073153"><span class="TextRun SCX33073153"><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Colley</span>: </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">Everything was always in a hurry. Everything was on a schedule. Well</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">,</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153"> som</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">etimes when you're working with </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">contamination and radiation, it just don't work on s</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">chedule. And we'd have to hold. They had people </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">on overtime one way or another</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">, but we couldn't let them go. We'd have to call the job of</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">f, till they cleaned it up. And when they got them cleaned</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153"> back where they could handle it, then turn '</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153"><span class="SpellingError SCX33073153">em</span></span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153"> loose. </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">But we were always with them. I </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">mean, by tu</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">rn '</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153"><span class="SpellingError SCX33073153">em</span></span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153"> loose, you mean they could</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153"> go to work, you know.</span><span class="EOP SCX33073153"> </span></p>
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<p class="Paragraph SCX33073153"><span class="TextRun SCX33073153"><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Colley</span>: </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">Whether it was me</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">chanical or something else, or flow of </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">contaminated materia</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">l. They had a lot of high-level </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">stuff there. Som</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">e of that stuff could--</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">if you get it on you, if you didn't get it off</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153"> real fast, you could get hurt. </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">There were several times that thought the people were going to get hurt, but it </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">turned out that they came out okay. </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">But they did have it on them, but </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">if they hadn’t have gotten it off of them, why, they </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">would've been in trouble.</span><span class="EOP SCX33073153"> </span></p>
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<p class="Paragraph SCX33073153"><span class="TextRun SCX33073153"><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Bauman</span>: </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">Mm-hm.</span><span class="EOP SCX33073153"> </span></p>
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<p class="Paragraph SCX33073153"><span class="TextRun SCX33073153"><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Colley</span>: </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">But it seemed</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153"> like—i</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">f you worked there, stay clean. Stay clean. And never took any short</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">cuts. A shortcut could cost you </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">your life. I don't remembe</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">r anybody ever dying from it or anything like that</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">.</span><span class="EOP SCX33073153"> </span></p>
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<p class="Paragraph SCX33073153"><span class="TextRun SCX33073153"><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Bauman</span>: </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">Did you feel that Hanford was a safe place to work? Was there--</span><span class="EOP SCX33073153"> </span></p>
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<p class="Paragraph SCX33073153"><span class="TextRun SCX33073153"><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Colley</span>: </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">Safety. Keeping people safe and taking care of their internal, external safety</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">. And the contamination, always </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">watching for contamination internally or externally. When you</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153"> went home at night, you felt okay. But some people </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">took a tremendous amount of radiation. But it was radiation, it wasn't contamina</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">tion. So you didn't worry about </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">going home or exposing your family to anything.</span><span class="EOP SCX33073153"> </span></p>
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<p class="Paragraph SCX33073153"><span class="TextRun SCX33073153"><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Colley</span>: </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">Good. </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">Yeah. </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">Everything was taken care of. They got you to work. They made it so that y</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">ou didn't worry about coming to </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">work. And that was good, because a lot of people were, you know, had some pretty high</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">--</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">there were some lethal </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">dose rates out there if you had to get around them, and you took very, very small amounts of it. And so</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153"> you didn't </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">really worry about</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">--</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">I mean the only time was when we had some criticality </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">and some of us would volunteer. </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">But we would volunteer because we were older. We weren't having families. We</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">--</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">well, I don't know. We would </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">take the necessary precautions. We'd back off if something didn't seem right an</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">d look at it again from another </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">angle. So if someone took an overdose, it'd be because of too many days of over</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">time. And they finally got that down to where if you</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153"> had</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153"> </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">taken so much dose rate for a number of hours, why</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">, you couldn't take anymore. And </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">it was</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153"> always within the safe limits. </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">I don't remember anybody getting an overdose of radiation. Except for us that had</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153"> to in order to find out if our </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">buildings were clear. And there was nobody left in them. To search the buildings,</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153"> we had to take an over amount. </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">And it was supposed—like in our big building, </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">Dash 5, there were only three of us</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153"> volunteered. But there's three </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">floors, and we knew before we went in about how much time it would take to go to every room on every floor</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">. So </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">that we wouldn't leave</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">--</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">if anybody fainted, had a heart attack or something like tha</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">t in getting out would still be </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">there, because nobody's back in that </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">building for two or three days. </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">You were just clicking and clacking away.</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153"> [LAUGHTER] You just--</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">kind of different sounds, y</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">ou know, make you feel a little </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">anxious because all the alarms were going, and which alarms are the ones that yo</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">u're watching for that might be </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">external. And dose rates or contamination or type of things like that. Most of the co</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">ntamination bells were all </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">around [INAUDIBLE] were going off.</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153"> And we had to find where that spread </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">w</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">as, how bad </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">was it</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">, and what it </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">was going to take to clean it up. And it took quite a while. But they'd give peop</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">le their maximums and send them </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">home. That's where you got all cleaned up and back to work again.</span><span class="EOP SCX33073153"> </span></p>
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<p class="Paragraph SCX33073153"><span class="TextRun SCX33073153"><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Colley</span>: </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">Yes.</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153"> </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">Yeah. Everything was safety. And you had special meetings. If you were going t</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">o do a special job, say down in </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">one of the cells </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">or something like that, </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">you had training on it, a dry run training in another c</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">ell that was clean. So you knew </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">exactly what you were going to handle, how long you were going to handle it, </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">how many people it was going to take to handle that, and which sets of </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">dose rates. They would only take maybe an overtime of</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">—of </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">one overtime</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">--</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">not overtime, but taking a double in exposure. And then if it took 10 people to do t</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">hat, you just </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">lined up 10 people and dressed them and got them ready, and you </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">got</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153"> the oth</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">ers out. And so nobody took any </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">extra over w</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">hat they were supposed to take. </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">And then their badges were red. And they knew right then that's where they were going to</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">--</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">w</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">hether they were okay </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">or not, if they were concerned about it. And once in a while, you'd open up something </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">that, in trying to get that job </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">done, you'd open up something else. And then, of course, we were right there, and our instruments were</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">—and </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">we're dressed, too, so </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">our instruments would tell us </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">right there we were taking it from that,</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153"> right here. </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">And then we could do—tell them t</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">hey could work two inches, five inches, a foot, two foot, or arm</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">’s length, a</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">nd th</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">en what the dose rate would be. </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">So tried to kee</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">p everybody as healthy, as good we could. </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">And it went off pretty good. Everybody felt comfortable with it, anyway. Maybe sometimes</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">--</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">everybody's human. </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">Sometimes they make little boo-boos. But if you caught them, yo</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">u never let them back in again. </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">You know</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">,</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153"> some people will just for some reason or another, they just want to get </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">into trouble. And when you find </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">out that person, you get him out then. You never let him go back in. He's a hazar</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">d. So he'd be put on a cold job </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">s</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">omewhere here on the project, or</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153"> he's fired. But never played around with </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">him. I don't remember people by </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">nam</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">e as to any particular one, but--</span><span class="EOP SCX33073153"> </span></p>
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<p class="Paragraph SCX33073153"><span class="TextRun SCX33073153"><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Bauman</span>: </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">I want to go back. You mentioned earlier that when you first came here and moved </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">into a house, you took a bus to </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">work and it would pick you up in front of your house. How long did you do that? H</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">ow long did you take the bus to </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">work?</span><span class="EOP SCX33073153"> </span></p>
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<p class="Paragraph SCX33073153"><span class="TextRun SCX33073153"><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Colley</span>: You know, you think you—t</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">hat was a big thing for people to drive. And some people didn't even have cars. </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">They'd pick you up. And you got </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">a bus stop real close to your house. They go all through</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153"> Richland here</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">. And they'd pick you up</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">, they'd bring you </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">back and drop you off back at your house. But it was</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">--</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">gosh, I never did dr</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">ive to work. I always took a bus. </span><span class="EOP SCX33073153"> </span></p>
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<p class="Paragraph SCX33073153"><span class="TextRun SCX33073153"><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Bauman</span>: Took the bus. </span><span class="EOP SCX33073153"> </span></p>
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<p class="Paragraph SCX33073153"><span class="TextRun SCX33073153"><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Colley</span>: </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">But during that</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">--</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">towards the end of that, some people were driving. And dep</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">ending on where they worked and </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">what job they did and if they had to move around with it. And they could drive to th</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">e Project parking lot. And then </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">they had to go over to</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">--</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">well, just like the rest of us </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">worked. No, it was so gradual, that never</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">—and those dates wer</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">e all so familiar at the </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">time, boy! We wer</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">e</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153"> going to be able to drive, and they were going to </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">go take the bus</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">es clear off. And that would have </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">been a big day. And I'm trying to think.</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153"> Just,</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153"> </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">I can't remember. But they sold </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">the house</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">s</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153"> in '58. So I know it was</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">--</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">we'll say it was before then.</span><span class="EOP SCX33073153"> </span></p>
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<p class="Paragraph SCX33073153"><span class="TextRun SCX33073153"><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Bauman</span>: </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">And so did you buy a house then after '58?</span><span class="EOP SCX33073153"> </span></p>
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<p class="Paragraph SCX33073153"><span class="TextRun SCX33073153"><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Colley</span>: </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">Uh-huh. Yeah</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">. I was allowed one house, an A</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153"> house. And I'd already been in it fo</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">r 10, 15 years. I lived in that </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">house 40 years. Or either had it for 40 years. I bought it, and then I kept it a long time. We paid $7,200 for</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153"> an A</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153"> house. All told, before I sold </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">it, I built a new house out in Keene </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">Village. And we got $109,000</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153"> </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">for it. But needed fixing up a little bit here an</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">d there, you know. But really a </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">good house. Very </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">easy to heat and</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153"> </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">easy to</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">--</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">they were comfortable, nice rooms. And they're all</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">--</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">most</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153"> all of them are still standing! [LAUGHTER]</span><span class="EOP SCX33073153"> </span></p>
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<p class="Paragraph SCX33073153"><span class="TextRun SCX33073153"><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Bauman</span>: </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">And do you remember anything else about the community of Richland at the ti</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">me in the 1950s? Were there any </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">special community events or things like that that you remember?</span><span class="EOP SCX33073153"> </span></p>
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<p class="Paragraph SCX33073153"><span class="TextRun SCX33073153"><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Colley</span>: </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">Well my spare time was with military. So I didn't have much spare time. Towards </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">the end, I flew to China for 12 </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">years. Every other week, never missed a week. </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">And worked here full-time. But I was flying the old C-141s. </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">That was quite a drop from B-52s and 36s.</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153"> [LAUGHTER]</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153"> But it was a mix, good mix. But ever</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">ything, regardless of where you went, if you--</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">like in Japan, had family there. I had to have somebo</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">dy go with me because of my job </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">here and my Air Force job. Classification all the time. Never talked about it. They kne</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">w that you worked here, and that was good enough. [LAUGHTER] Yeah, i</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">t was a lot of classification. Some jobs were</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">,</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153"> gee, you were afraid to talk to anybody.</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153"> [LAUGHTER]</span><span class="EOP SCX33073153"> </span></p>
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<p class="Paragraph SCX33073153"><span class="TextRun SCX33073153"><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Bauman</span>: </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">So could you tell your family what you did at Hanford at all?</span><span class="EOP SCX33073153"> </span></p>
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<p class="Paragraph SCX33073153"><span class="TextRun SCX33073153"><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Colley</span>: </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">No.</span><span class="EOP SCX33073153"> </span></p>
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<p class="Paragraph SCX33073153"><span class="TextRun SCX33073153"><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Bauman</span>: </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">They didn't really know what sort of job you had?</span><span class="EOP SCX33073153"> </span></p>
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<p class="Paragraph SCX33073153"><span class="TextRun SCX33073153"><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Colley</span>: As far as my f</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">amily was concerned, my children were going through grade school here. And my </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">wife didn't work. She just took </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">care of us all. What they read in the papers or from things like that. And they know</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153"> better than to ask. Because it </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">was classified. But they'd got </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">used to that in the Air Force. SAC was, boy, it was </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">as </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">much or</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153"> more</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153"> so than Hanford. But you </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">got so you just lived with that. </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">Gosh you never--b</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">ut also you remembered a lot of th</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">ose things for a long time even </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">after you could've maybe talked about them. But this time nobody was particularly interested.</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153"> [LAUGHTER]</span><span class="EOP SCX33073153"> </span></p>
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<p class="Paragraph SCX33073153"><span class="TextRun SCX33073153"><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Bauman</span>: </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">Was that difficult at all to be working and then come home and not be able to talk to anyone about your job at all?</span><span class="EOP SCX33073153"> </span></p>
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<p class="Paragraph SCX33073153"><span class="TextRun SCX33073153"><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Colley</span>: </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">No. When you got off the</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">--</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">out of your building, why, we just didn't do it. Once in a</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153"> </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">while, they'd say</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">,</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153"> where</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153"> do you work?</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153"> And they'd say oh, you know, or something. Try to not answer. But if yo</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">u did, why, you'd tell them what </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">building you work</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">ed</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153"> in</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">, yeah</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">. And every building </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">had a classification about it. They wanted you to--if you worked in that building, you didn’t have any business</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153"> talking about it.</span><span class="EOP SCX33073153"> </span></p>
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<p class="Paragraph SCX33073153"><span class="TextRun SCX33073153"><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Bauman</span>: </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">Is there anything from your experiences working at Hanford that we haven't talked ab</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">out yet that you'd like to talk </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">about or think you should talk about?</span><span class="EOP SCX33073153"> </span></p>
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<p class="Paragraph SCX33073153"><span class="TextRun SCX33073153"><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Colley</span>: Oh, yeah. There’s </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">things</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">, things, oh gosh</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">--</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">at the time, there was a lot of things that I would like to ha</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">ve talked </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">about. But now I can't remember anything right off-hand. Anything you'd like to tal</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">k about, it was classified. And </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">you'd go to specialty school, s</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">pecial this, special that. And guards. </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">But I enjoyed working there. I worked lots of overtime because I enjoyed the jo</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">b. My outside interests was the </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">military, and every spare minute that I had, why</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">,</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153"> I was with that either in Walla Walla</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">--</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">I was base commander at Walla Walla in the R</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">eserve side, recovery units. So I was pretty busy all the time. I was lo</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">oking ahead to either </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">here or there. And then when I retired from the military, then I had more time to w</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">ork here doing things, and with </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">my family. Go places and do things. But it all worked out good.</span><span class="EOP SCX33073153"> </span></p>
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<p class="Paragraph SCX33073153"><span class="TextRun SCX33073153"><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Bauman</span>: </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">Well I want to thank you very much for coming in today and sharing your experiences with us. I really appreciate.</span><span class="EOP SCX33073153"> </span></p>
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<p class="Paragraph SCX33073153"><span class="TextRun SCX33073153"><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Colley</span>: </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">I'm sorry I c</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">an't remember a lot of things. Gosh, i</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">t's surprising me. When you stop using</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153"> it and you weren't supposed to talk about it, then you just disappear </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">it. I mean, unless someone mentions somet</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">hing, and then brings it up to </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">you.</span><span class="EOP SCX33073153"> </span></p>
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<p class="Paragraph SCX33073153"><span class="TextRun SCX33073153"><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Bauman</span>: </span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153">Well you did a great job.</span><span class="EOP SCX33073153"> </span></p>
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<p class="Paragraph SCX33073153"><span class="TextRun SCX33073153"><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Colley</span>: A lot of years!</span><span class="EOP SCX33073153"> </span></p>
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<p class="Paragraph SCX33073153"><span class="TextRun SCX33073153"><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Bauman</span>:</span><span class="TextRun SCX33073153"> Some really interesting stories, so, appreciate it.</span><span class="EOP SCX33073153"> </span></p>
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Washington State University - Tri-Cities
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00:42:38
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U Plant
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Dash 5 Building
Reduction-Oxidation Plant (REDOX)
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1954-2013
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1954-1986
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Interview with Robert Colley
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An interview with Robert Colley conducted as part of the Hanford Oral History Project. The Hanford Oral History Project was sponsored by the Mission Support Alliance and the United States Department of Energy.
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Hanford Oral History Project at Washington State University Tri-Cities
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Richland (Wash.)
Hanford (Wash.)
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Nuclear weapons plants--Health aspects--Washington (State)--Hanford Site Region
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11/20/2013
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Dash 5 Building
Hanford (Wash.)
Hanford Site (Wash.)
Reduction-Oxidation Plant (REDOX)
Richland (Wash.)
T Plant
U Plant